Tuesday, September 2, 2008

Six Consequences

I received this from a friend. I have seen several negative comments from the No crowd who complain that these six points are "lies." I have yet to see any logical reasoning why these six points are "lies." Instead, all I have seen are ad hominem attacks.

Six Consequences the Coalition Has Identified If Proposition 8 Fails

1. Children in public schools will have to be taught that same-sex marriage is just as good as traditional marriage.

The California Education Code already requires that health education classes instruct children about marriage. (§51890)

Therefore, unless Proposition 8 passes, children will be taught that marriage is between any two adults regardless of gender. There will be serious clashes between the secular school system and the right of parents to teach their children their own values and beliefs.

2. Churches may be sued over their tax exempt status if they refuse to allow same-sex marriage ceremonies in their religious buildings open to the public. Ask whether your pastor, priest, minister, bishop, or rabbi is ready to perform such marriages in your chapels and sanctuaries.

3. Religious adoption agencies will be challenged by government agencies to give up their long-held right to place children only in homes with both a mother and a father. Catholic Charities in Boston already closed its doors in Massachusetts because courts legalized same-sex marriage there.

4. Religions that sponsor private schools with married student housing may be required to provide housing for same-sex couples, even if counter to church doctrine, or risk lawsuits over tax exemptions and related benefits.

5. Ministers who preach against same-sex marriages may be sued for hate speech and risk government fines. It already happened in Canada, a country that legalized gay marriage. A recent California court held that municipal employees may not say: “traditional marriage,” or “family values” because, after the same-sex marriage case, it is “hate speech.”

6. It will cost you money. This change in the definition of marriage will bring a cascade of lawsuits, including some already lost (e.g., photographers cannot now refuse to photograph gay marriages, doctors cannot now refuse to perform artificial insemination of gays even given other willing doctors). Even if courts eventually find in favor of a defender of traditional marriage (highly improbable given today’s activist judges), think of the money – your money – that will be spent on such legal battles.

And think of all the unintended consequences that we cannot even foresee at this time. Where will it end?

It’s your children, your grandchildren, your money, and your liberties.

Let’s work together to protect them.

Join with us in walking precincts and phoning voters to vote Yes on Prop 8.

3 comments:

Tom said...

What do you mean by "ad hominem" attacks? No one has attacked the person who wrote these lies, only the lies themselves.

For instance, on number 1, regarding children being taught about same-sex marriage in school. Any parent has the right to remove their child from a health ed class (or any other class) if they don't agree with the curriculum.

Number 2, churches will be sued if they don't allow same-sex marriages in their churches.

This is perhaps the most blatant lie of the bunch. First, the California Supreme Court specifically stated in its decision that churches would not be required to perform any ceremonies that went against their teachings. On top of that, Catholics don't let divorced people marry in their churches. No law suits. They don't let women become priests. No law suits. Mormons don't allow any but active, tithe-paying members to marry in their temples. For years they wouldn't allow black people to marry in their temples. no law suits.

Number 3, regarding adoption agencies closing. That has NOTHING to do with marriage equality. It has to do with anti-discrimination laws that were in place for years before Massachusetts became the first state to embrace marriage equality.

Number 4 is probably true. After all, Bob Jones University had to allow mixed-race couples in married student housing.

Number 5 is ridiculous, as well. This isn't Canada. We have the First Amendment here. Ministers have free speech rights at their respective pulpits that state municipal employees (who are conducting government business) do not have.

If that doesn't convince you, I will add these two words: Fred. Phelps.

Number 6, a "cascade" of lawsuits. Also untrue. Churches will be no more or less likely to be sued if Proposition 8 fails than if it succeeds.

That enough logic for you?

Anonymous said...

If you haven't yet seen "any logical reasoning why these six points are 'lies,'" then you haven't been looking very hard. Here, let me help you:

Six Big Lies the Freedom-Haters Are Spreading About Proposition 8

I expect that you will not approve this comment. Surprise me.

Anonymous said...

See a reasoned response to these 6 "consequences" by LDS lawyer Morris Thurston to understand why these 6 points are falacious. You can read it at http://connellodonovan.com/thurston_response.pdf

Mark