Saturday, November 8, 2008

Santa Cruz, San Francisco Challenging Prop 8

Remind me how this has anything to do with a city government.

SANTA CRUZ -- City leaders could be joining other cities around the state in a lawsuit to challenge the passage of Proposition 8 -- the successful measure that took away the right of same-sex couples to marry -- on the grounds the measure is unconstitutional.

"It's an important issue and the city needs to play a role," said Mayor Ryan Coonerty, who hopes to bring the proposal before the City Council at its Nov. 25 meeting.

More here.

Pro-SSM Law Professors on Prop 8

Ethan Leib, professor at the University of California Hastings College of the Law:

I have to confess that the seeming passage of Prop 8 dampered the election for me. I’m very happy about Obama’s victory but it really is counterbalanced by a fair bit of depression about the fate of Prop 8. California at its worst, alas. I also think there is very little chance that any of the litigation to undo Prop 8 will succeed; indeed, it looks foolish to try to go back to the courts on this one (unless some showing of voter fraud or undercounting can be made, neither of which seems on the table). Until we get another chance to have this battle as a constitutional amendment — or the Supreme Court gets a very different constitution, we’re stuck, I fear.

Lawrence Lessig, Professor of Law at Stanford Law School:

We need to try again. Let us launch, now, a new petition movement. Let us spend a year talking to people who disagree with us. Let us win this battle by persuading the other side. I volunteer to do whatever would help, including traveling to every church or community in this state to make the case for equality. But please, let’s not try to win this battle by summoning the Supremes. Even if it is right that this Amendment is contrary to the best interpretation of Equal Protection, let us bring the ideals of Equal Protection to life, by getting people to support them.

Kenji Yoshino, Chief Justice Earl Warren Professor of Constitutional Law at New York University School of Law:

Finally, the effects of Prop 8 on the national movement for same-sex marriage are significant but not devastating. Before Tuesday, court opinions legalizing same-sex marriage in Massachusetts, California, and Connecticut suggested that the right was gaining traction. The passage today of constitutional bans on same-sex marriage not just in California but also in Arizona and Florida provides a counterpoint.

Nonetheless, generational and global trends both ultimately favor full marriage equality in this country. The situation here is similar to the two-steps-forward, one-step-back trajectory that led to the legalization of interracial marriage. To be sure, Prop 8 represents a large step back. But the nation’s march toward marriage equality won’t stop.

Nan Hunter, Professor of Law at Georgetown:

Huge loss - CA Prop 8, ending marriage rights for same-sex couples and repudiating that state’s supreme court decision granting equality, was adopted. Although not all votes are in, the LA Times has just declared Yes on 8 the winner, apparently because the lead is greater than the remaining number of votes to be counted.

Michael Dorf, Professor of Law at Cornell Law School:

Yet if, as many observers think, the California Supreme Court would rule Prop 8 non-retroactive, then California will have the oddity of thousands of marriages that continue to be valid even though condemned by a majority of the state. There might even follow another ballot initiative to clarify that Prop 8 was retroactive. A voter who weakly opposes same-sex marriage might think that the potential issues over retroactivity are too much trouble, and so simply vote against Prop 8 in the hope of being done with the question.

What Are You Going to Do Justice George?

Cheryl Miller reports on the Recorder:

Legal groups and three city attorneys asked the California Supreme Court on Wednesday to invalidate Proposition 8, arguing that the voter-approved ban on gay marriage is a constitutional revision that should have been processed through the Legislature, not the ballot box.

The lawsuit throws the hot-potato issue of same-sex unions back to the high court just six months after four justices infuriated social conservatives by declaring that marriage rights extend equally to both gay and straight couples. And it snares Chief Justice Ronald George, author of the majority opinion in In re Marriage Cases, in a political vise as his scheduled 2010 retention election approaches.

“It’s the proverbial crocodile in the bathtub,” said Gerald Uelmen, a professor at Santa Clara University School of Law. “And that’s what initiative politics frequently do in California. They put the court in the position of striking down measures that have a popular majority, and very often the proponents of the initiatives that are struck down come after the courts in the next election.”

And Now San Diego....

Interestingly, I don't believe this protest will be passing in front of the LDS San Diego Temple. I could be wrong...

SAN DIEGO – Proposition 8 opponents will march from Hillcrest to North Park Saturday to protest the passage of the measure that eliminates the right of same-sex couples to marry.

The march is scheduled to begin at noon at Third and University avenues and end at 30th Street and University Avenue, according to the No on Prop 8 campaign and the San Diego LGBT Center.

More here.

Re-Cap on Protests: L.A., S.F., and S.L.C.

Invalidate Prop 8 Website

The No Crowd is getting more creative. Now you can donate $5 and have a postcard sent to LDS President Thomas S. Monson in protest of Prop 8. Check it here.

[Sarcasm -] Such an ingenious idea. With all of those postcards flowing in the church just might change its view.

Since When Was Prop 8 About Rights?

Can someone from the No Crowd please provide me with a reasoned logical analysis showing how mankind is born with the right to have a government recognize same sex marriage? Please use the political philosophy on which Western Civilization is based, i.e., natural law. An appeal to Thomas Aquinas, John Locke, Rousseau, Plato, or other Western philosophers would be helpful.

Also, please explain how this right existed before 4 San Francisco judges invented it.

If you can do that I will be more willing to consider your conclusion that Prop 8 "takes away fundamental rights."

Friday, November 7, 2008

Boycott on Utah?

Utah's growing tourism industry and the star-studded Sundance Film Festival are being targeted for a boycott by bloggers, gay rights activists and others seeking to punish the Mormon church for its aggressive promotion of California's ban on gay marriage.

It could be a heavy price to pay. Tourism brings in $6 billion a year to Utah, with world-class skiing, a spectacular red rock country and the film festival founded by Robert Redford, among other popular tourist draws.

"At a fundamental level, the Utah Mormons crossed the line on this one," said gay rights activist John Aravosis, an influential blogger in Washington, D.C.

More here.

Prop 8 Protest Draws Thousands in Salt Lake City


Thousands of people packed a Salt Lake City park and then paraded through downtown streets Friday night for a vocal but peaceful protest of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' participation in California's new ban on gay marriage.


An estimated 3,500 members and supporters of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community gathered at City Creek Park to speak out against the LDS Church for encouraging its members to support Proposition 8.



More here.

Prop 8 Protests From L.A. to San Francisco


The No Crowd continues their marches. Maybe they should have put this much effort into their campaign.

Thousands of demonstrators marched down Market Street in San Francisco on Friday night to protest the passage earlier this week of Proposition 8, which effectively bans same-sex marriage in California.

The march began around 5:30 p.m., as the group worked its way west toward its final destination of Dolores Park. A large group remained around Ninth and Market streets, holding signs, chanting and jamming traffic. About a dozen Muni buses were stuck in the traffic mess.

More here.

Thursday, November 6, 2008

I'm Surprised They Haven't Stormed the Temple and Set It Ablaze




More Tolerance from the No Crowd

No on 8 Concedes Defeat

Opponents of Proposition 8, after taking a close look at the ballot totals from Tuesday's election, today conceded defeat in their effort to keep same-sex marriage legal in California.

More here.

No on Proposition 8's Protest at LDS Los Angeles Temple

As we speak the tolerant No Crowd is in front of the LDS Los Angeles Temple. Funny that they direct their ire to a group that makes up no more than 2% of California's population. Didn't nearly 53% vote in favor of Prop 8?

Hundreds of protesters marched near the landmark Los Angeles California Temple of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Westwood today to protest the church's strong support for Proposition 8.

Opponents of Proposition 8, which outlawed gay marriage in California, were waving banners and chanting. A similar protests occurred on Wednesday night in Hollywood and West Hollywood.

Los Angeles Police Department officials say they won't be caught off-guard as they were last night, when they were required to call a tactical alert after a few members of the mostly peaceful crowd got out of hand. The protest is scheduled to begin at 2 p.m. off Santa Monica Boulevard.

More here.

The Beauty of the No Crowd's Tolerance

Wednesday, November 5, 2008

It Never Ends - Legal Challenges to Prop 8

The San Diego Union Tribune reports: “The San Francisco City Attorney’s office says he plans to challenge the validity of a ballot measure that would change the state constitution to ban gay marriage.”

Mercury News: “The first lesbian couple to be married in Los Angeles County after the Supreme Court threw out the gay marriage ban also plans to announce a lawsuit against Proposition 8.”

The LA Times reports: “After losing at the polls, gay-rights advocates filed a legal challenge today in California Supreme Court to Proposition 8, a long-shot effort that the measure’s supporters called an attempt to subvert the will of voters.”

Lambda Legal issued this press release that begins: “The California Attorney General, Equality California, and the nation’s leading LGBT legal groups agree that the marriages of the estimated 18,000 same-sex couples who married between June 16, 2008 and the possible passage of Proposition 8 are still valid in the state of California and must continue to be honored by the state.”

Lambda Legal has also issued these press releases:

Lambda Legal: LGBT Ballot Losses Do Not Predict the Future

Legal Groups File Lawsuit Challenging Proposition 8, Should It Pass

The American Civil Liberties Union, Lambda Legal and the National Center for Lesbian Rights filed a writ petition before the California Supreme Court today urging the court to invalidate Proposition 8 if it passes. The petition charges that Proposition 8 is invalid because the initiative process was improperly used in an attempt to undo the constitution’s core commitment to equality for everyone by eliminating a fundamental right from just one group — lesbian and gay Californians. Proposition 8 also improperly attempts to prevent the courts from exercising their essential constitutional role of protecting the equal protection rights of minorities. According to the California Constitution, such radical changes to the organizing principles of state government cannot be made by simple majority vote through the initiative process, but instead must, at a minimum, go through the state legislature first.

Results Update #2

As of 4:05 p.m. on 11/05/2008 the count is 5,387,939 or 52.5% of the votes in favor of Prop 8 and 4,883,460 or 47.5% of the votes against Prop 8 with 100% of precincts reporting.

This appears to be a victory, but there are also potentially 2 million provisional and vote by mail ballots that have not been counted. Counties have 28 days to certify the election.

Results Update

As of 9:49 a.m. on 11/05/2008 the count is 5,220,694 or 52.2% of the votes in favor of Prop 8 and 4,792,873 or 47.8% of the votes against Prop 8 with 96.4% of precincts reporting. There are also potentially 2 million provisional and vote by mail ballots that have not been counted. Counties have 28 days to certify the election.

It's A Close One

As of 7:59 a.m. on 11/05/2008 the count is 5,195,136 or 52.1% of the votes in favor of Prop 8 and 4,779,297or 47.9% of the votes against Prop 8 with 95.8% of precincts reporting. There are also potentially 2 million provisional and vote by mail ballots that have not been counted. Counties have 28 days to certify the election.

Tuesday, November 4, 2008

LDS Church's Response to Ad

"The Church has joined a broad-based coalition in defense of traditional marriage. While we feel this is important to all of society, we have always emphasized that respect be given to those who feel differently on this issue. It is unfortunate that some who oppose this proposition have not given the Church this same courtesy."